For mastodon.social users:

Dogpiling and harassment are off-limits no matter how justified you think you are. The rules are for everyone.

Strongly considering adding screenshot-dunking to the code of conduct as well. We don't need that culture here.

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@Gargron a large number of users responding critically to a poorly thought out staff decision is dogpiling, huh?

@maolfunction No, what's happened with Wil Wheaton is dogpiling.

@Gargron it's more like people are seeing a dangerous precedent being set by the way staff on .cloud and .social handled the whole situation that will benefit abusers, but we'll agree to disagree it appears.

@maolfunction .cloud's decision to suspend wil has indeed benefitted abusers in this case.

@Gargron lol. this is why trans communities will never feel safe anywhere. so easy to turn victims of abuse into abusers for standing up to their harassers.

@maolfunction
Get trans instance and don't browse federation? Lol you want gated but public community. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
@Gargron

@Gargron @maolfunction disagreements are not abuse? trans people have very little power to enact online abuse on cisgender men? this space should prioritise the well-being of transgender folks over cis dudes period??? what the fUCK??????

@Gargron
It has harmed the entire fediverse. Mastodon just failed its first serious test.
@maolfunction

@Gargron
I feel like you're thinking of abuse on an exclusively individualistic level while ignoring the abuses against larger groups. I don't think that reflects your politics or anything, but I don't think you're right here. It got to a point where everyone was worried he was going to do here what he did on twitter, because he clearly has power, and everyone did what they could to call him out and draw attention, like a riot.

@maolfunction He was not actively harming anyone. He has clarified about the blocklist thing. You have every right to suspend him from your instance, but chasing him off from someone else's server through dogpiling was wrong.

@Gargron @maolfunction fam, "clarified the blocklist thing" is just not true. it's a lazy excuse. he advertised the list long after he knew about the problems. oh, and he STILL has to denounce his best friend, the abuser.

@Gargron @maolfunction you have absolutely nothing to win in defending wil "shut up, wesley" wheaton. not moral superiority, not love of his "fans", not support of the LGBTQI+ community. what are you doing, baby?

@labpleb @maolfunction I am doing what I think is right. If you don't like it, switch to a server where the policies align with your values more closely.

@Gargron @maolfunction this is a discourse - i want THIS to be a good place for peeps. i like the community, i just don't like how this situation was and is being handled by you and the mods. and others clearly think so, too.

@labpleb @maolfunction And yet others think differently. I even get DMs from people who are too afraid to agree with me publicly for fear of being the next target. That's absolutely not the right kind of community atmosphere.

@Gargron @maolfunction but you're blocking off. not one issue about this night's moderation was resolved. why did a mod with severe personal stuff to process, have to handle THIS situation, too. that's bad for both them AND literally everyone else involved. users should not have to wait UNTIL after the punishment was lifted to get to know WHY they were being punished.

@Gargron @labpleb @maolfunction
And there are also dozens of people very openly complaining and pointing out that you're putting the feelings of a powerful person who is careless with his social status over the feelings of a vulnerable minority group.

Frankly I don't give a shit about however many secret DMs you've gotten, I can publicly see the fallout. I can publicly SEE people who don't agree with your approach.

@labpleb @Gargron @maolfunction Oh no! He didn’t placate you with a lie where he pretends to have regret of having befriended a bad person.

@Gargron his being on the instance was actively harming the entire trans community because of his prior actions against them. He's also sided with a sexual abuser.

You tell me how people were supposed to feel safe with him here when his past actions that have hurt huge groups of people are well documented. He was reported, staff felt he didn't do anything wrong. So he was heckled and criticized by users on the fediverse. Telling people to suck it up and move on was never going to work.

@maolfunction That's nonsense. If you ban him from your server no one there will see him. You're saying he bothers you if he just exists *somewhere*, well, he's still going to exist somewhere!

@Gargron @maolfunction mmm, i think you're missing it here garg and might wanna step away for a bit to think about this one

@bea @Gargron @maolfunction yes, get some sleep, talk to your mods, make a blog post, engage openly. please!! ❤️

@Gargron That's kind of missing the point. I'm not trying to be antagonistic and I feel like there's a lot of emotion mixed up in this exchange which is something I'm trying to get away from.

Blocking Wheaton is a workaround to the root problem and it creates precedence on the instance that more insidious people like Blair White will exploit if they catch wind. I don't want to block a huge instance because of 100s of bad apples.

@Gargron @maolfunction The issue here is that from another server he still had the ability to influence the moderators of this server to silence his critics. The issue is that he repeatedly made frivolous reports and your answer to that has been dismissive at best and frankly callous

The problem is that you chose to do nothing when someone from another instance abused their status against your users. And now many of the people who were on exodus from Twitter have now gone on exodus from .social

@Gargron
He was actively harassing smaller servers for mentioning his name by filing bullshit reports eugen
@maolfunction

@Gargron @maolfunction
And if you buy his "oh I didn't know" line, or think that a guy who can't even put the T in lgbtq isn't a transphobe, you're dumber than he is

@Gargron @maolfunction He repeatedly made frivolous reports and HIS VERY PRESENCE MADE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU REPEATEDLY FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

NO ONE CARES IF HE FOLLOWED THE RULES.

IF SOMEONE'S ABUSIVE EX COMES INTO THEIR PLACE OF WORK, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY FOLLOW THE RULES, THEY ARE STILL CAUSING HARM WITH THEIR PRESENCE.

Please for the love of God try to understand this. He has harmed people. They have a right to be concerned.

@gargron @maolfunction are u actively trying to make ur trans users feel unsafe? please learn what power dynamics are. trans people criticizing a transphobe isn't abuse. conflict is not abuse

@Gargron @maolfunction chief i’ve been one of your big defenders here but this ain’t it

@Gargron @maolfunction So ur officially on the side of a person who harasses, baits, blocks, & abuses trans ppl?
I mean, I get it, u didnt see it for yourself... But u are dismissing dozens (hundreds?) of ppl telling u what he does, who he is.
If we cant stand up for ourselves, speak to him like we would anyone else who did those things, whats the point of this site?
Most of us came here to avoid twitter style mass reporting & blocking & thats what he brought, & his army of sycophants.

@Gargron He's here for clout and not because he wants to use a social media platform (you can tell because his pinned post is a "verification" post), please don't put his feelings above those of people who came to this site to escape the kind of toxicity he engendered. His very presence here has put a lot of people in edge and maybe some have overstepped a boundary, but who is really benefiting from the silencing of marginalized voices here?

@Gargron @maolfunction

At a bare-assed minimum, the vagueness (and later snideness) with which the dunker was treated was not a great look, and then to justify it with "well, that particular admin had some shit going on" is weak tea indeed.

If ligma-style dunking is off-limits, that needs to be specifically clarified as such. One user telling another "you're a fuckin' jerk" on a single occasion is not harassment, per se. Is it rude? Sure.

I wasn't aware being rude was against the rules.

@underscorex @Gargron @maolfunction I've been to rude to people on this instance after they say things I find to be intensely dumb, and I have not been reported for it to the best of my knowledge

@Gargron Eugen you're a very talented programmer for putting this site together, but I feel like developing a community and developing a webapp are two very different skills. I think by not listening to the people who make up this intricately constructed Habermasian public sphere, you're risking taking the side of people who's intentions are abusive at best, and being downright harmful to the beautiful people who love and use this thing you've created at worst

@Gargron @maolfunction clouds decision to not ban him on sight benefited abusers by setting the precedent that cis abusers are allowed near free reign over this site, and that trans people reacting to that apparently is much worse than the act itself

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